sfita tra?nica! kaj je zdej to. slike novih citra?ev se valajo po netu ?e kr lep cajt, tu pa tuga s posti. zadnji izpred 9. mesecev. pa ?e slike unga belega kao ami ?uda in njegove zelene dolgcajt armature so vam vmes guznle:o:o:D:D

evo, bomo malo pooravli. sources out of prva roka pravijo, da bo-je- C4 jako podoben temu:

no, ?ist konkretno je source out of prva roka postal tole slikico, sam je nisem takoj na?u.:D




poleg tega pa de?ko pravi slede?e:

Yesterday I participate in consumer opinion test (Warsaw, Poland). It was compact-class car test. Following cars were presented: Peugeot 307, Renault Megane II, VW Golf V, Opel Astra III, Toyota Corolla, Ford Focus (present version) and the C4! 5 doors version of C4 looks very, very similar to photo above.
Very modern looks of body and of course interior too. Headlights are very similar to BMW 5. Strange, but not so strange as backlights: lights aren?t as flat as rest of tailage. They stand out of surface.

Interior is small. Sitting in back, you touching a roof with your head, which is really uncomfortable. Moreover, legs do not have much space, too. It is very tight. Sitting as a driver is much better. But you have to check four displays: first is ?normal? place, the second is in the middle of the shelf (close to the windscreen), third is in the dashboard console above the radio. The fourth one is the funniest. It is behind steering wheel on the steering wheel column. It contains traffic indicators, etc. Another interesting think are cubby-holes (glove compartments?) ? a really big number of them (even small pockets in driver seat). To open you have to press small steel icon on it. It is a feeling of opening a CD in computer. Very smoothly.

Another part of the consumer test was computer simulation of the price. It seems in Poland five door version with 1.6 engine will start from 70.000 PLN (15200 EUR) which is less than Golf (16000 EUR).

[Edited on 5-7-2004 by drugmirko]

in drugmirko je nebodiga len vpra?al slede?e:

on Jun 20th, 2004, 08:24am, drugmirko wrote:
art0, could you be bit more specific about space on back seats? I mean, tight compared to what? 307, Golf V...
How high are you. Like, this segment is tight for 2m tall guys .

Well I'm 1,82 m tall (~6 feet 1 inch). I said it is tight comapared to every car in the test. It is similar to Megane. Why? The roof is falling down very fast, what you can see on the picture.

on Jun 20th, 2004, 08:24am, drugmirko wrote:
What is the boot size then, where did they spend the available space on. Cause it is hard to imagine that C4 is lot shorter than 307. They do share basis platform.

Boot size is normal. In my opinion is bigger than Megane but it isn't extremly big. Let me say it is typical Where the space where spend? First, the driver has a plenty of room. But what is more important windscreen is sloped and the roof in back falls down (in similar way as in Seat Leon). You can say styling is more important than functionality

kakor tudi slede?e:

Thnx art0. That thight cabin space is risky buissnes these days, when consumers are spoiled with monovolumen leisures . So, the car have to offer "something else" to appeal. Like Megane with it's different extravagant design. How did you find C4? Is there that "something else" charm in it? Would you turn your head after it passes you on street ? Or is it like Golf, wich is good in every way, but bit dull&unsensual?
And what kind of materials have they used for dashboard? Is it still hard plastic stuff as in Xara or C3, or did they finally discovered soft, rubbery materials that german competitors uses for quit a while

in art0 je povedal:

For sure car has very modern look. Every french car enthusiast will say it is beatifull (tested on friends ). But in my opinion (I prefer german design ) car is too modern. But of course it is car that turn every head when passing....

Yes, there is a progress. Materials are much better. Dashboard is nice to touch, soft. Far, far better than Golf.

BTW: I can't understand why Citroen Poland shows C4 so early - two months before others? Opinion test, ok? But do you think any change in car design (interior, etc) are still possible?

drugmirko se ni dal odgnati tako na lahko, zato je ?e malo te?naru:

Thnx again art0, so there is some Citroen spirit in C4. I was quite dissapointed after first spy shots. Specialy after seeing five door version. It loked like a bad Focus restyle . (still 'm afraid that it'll look like wired crossover of Focus and very old Honda Civic )
I'm not shoure why realy you were able to see the car. Unless you're Citroen employee (and quite high in Poland I might add ), and I doubt that there's much chance of changing in the remining couple of months, before introduction.
Unles there's posibility of second interior, like in big van quadriples. They have analog and digital option of displays. But that would be a bit unracional in this segment. Btw. How is this four display interior of C4? Nice, dinamic, minimalistic, beautiful, techno, clean, dull, empty, boring, messy, untransparent, colourfull.... . After what you said before, we only know that it's not very conventional.
O, yes. How lousy fornt seats are? And did you try gear box. They realy didn't shine there. Shifting was shitty even when cars were standing still.


in art0 je povedal ?e malo:

It is hard for me to desribe interior. If I say it is boring, you will ask me: what does it mean it is boring?
It is cosmic, I have never seen interior this kind. I remember when I saw Focus for first time. Dashboard was absolutly different. Completly new way. Watching C4 I felt the same feeling. Remember what i wrote about cubby-holes? They aren't typical, they look more like drawers/trays(?) which open after pressing
Talking about colors it isn't colorfull. But every car in the test have one color - black interior.
It was 1.6 version. Seats were comfortable - for me too comfortable. It is a french car,isn't it I suppose in case of VTS or VTR version seats will be better...
Gearbox. I didn't have oportunity to drive so it's hard me to say....Of course I move few times gearbox stick - shfiting was ok. You must wait to drive test
But I doubt I will be invited

evo, zdej mate poved od ?loveka, ki je sedel v novem C4. prevajal je pa nebom!tum:tum

@drugmirko:

Well done! :)D

Lp,

Dvorjan

PS: Pa saj dva meseca nista tako vec dalec... ali pac?

druze mirko, mi ti se kunemo :hug


dva meseca do cesa? prve predstavitve? novinarske predstavitve? uredna predstavitve?

se spomnim sicer, da je bilo govora o predstavitvi uradni na enem sejmu septembra, ampak kje ze je? paris?:o

je. ?e dva mesca je do predstavitve. to je septembra na salonu v parizu. poleg tega pa brat po avtu iz drugega foruma pravi, da bo citroen meu predstavitev za ju?noevropske inu balkanske prostore v Benetkah. nekej se kur?ijo, da bojo ?li, ker je fotr zastopnik. bomo vidli. :cul mogo?e bom ?el pa zraven :rolley:rolley:rolley

spika je pribli?no taka:

zeNNon:
U 9 mjesecu ove godine dolazi C4 i C5 restyle.. Predstavljanje za Citroen International je u Veneciji... ide se brodom..

activa:
...obezbedi mi jedno mesto !!
...placam " suvim zlatom " !!

zeNNon:
posto je predstavljanje na novou citroen international, za svakog distributera u regiji ima samo jedno mjesto tako da ce u veneciju ici stari ipak.. bit ce guzvara ali ce sigurno bit nezaboravno

activa:
...jel se moze nesto "preko veze " srediti ??

zeNNon:
jedino ak hoces doci do mene pa idemo u vlastitom aranzmanu... onako za njima pa nas ja nekako na silu uspijem ubacit unutra..

activa:
ja sam za !!??
..samo reci kada , gde i kako !!??
..dogovorimo se jos sa HDI-om i DRUGMIRKOM ..i zapalimo za Veneciju !!??

zeNNon:
pa ide se u 9 mjesecu a tocan datum i lokaciju cu vjerojatno znat dva tjedna prije... sto se mene tice, cini mi se kao dobra ideja.. 4 citroenasa... i idemo obavezno s mojom Activom pa neka sline..


kakor vidite so tip?ki glih prou opizdeni, da bi jo znali potegnit do benetk :wwa: . activa si ?e rihta ?engen vizo in tranzit za slovenijo (iz BG :))

evo ?e bolj ?alostne slikice trivratnega C4:

eko, autek bo imel slede?e izvedbe (mislim, da vas franco??ina ne bo preve? motla :smesko:)

Sur la version coup? :

En essence :

1CB5I34M C4 1,4 I 16V BVM 3P

1CB5I36M C4 1,6 I 16V BVM 3P
1CB5I36A C4 1,6 I 16V BVA 3P

1CB5I3KM C4 2,0 I 16V BVM 3P

En diesel :

1CB5I3D6 C4 1,6 HDI 16V BVM 3P

1CB5I3DK C4 2,0 HDI 16V BVM6 3P



Sur la version 5 portes :

En essence :

1CB5I54M C4 1,4 I 16V BVM 5P

1CB5I56M C4 1,6 I 16V BVM 5P
1CB5I56A C4 1,6 I 16V BVA 5P

1CB5I5KM C4 2,0 I 16V BVM 5P
1CB5I5KA C4 2,0 I 16V BVA 5P

En diesel :

1CB5I5D6 C4 1,6 HDI 16V BVM 5P

1CB5I5DK C4 2,0 HDI 16V BVM 5P

?eprav mi ta njihova politika s HDI motorji ni glih najbl jasna. Majo 1.4 s 70 al kulko ?e konji, pol majo 1.4 z 90 konji, pa 1.6 (novi&ford) s 110 konji, pa 2.0 z 90, 110, 136 (novi&ford) konji.
?e spustim sarkazem okrog rahlega prekrivanja prostornin in mo?i je pa vsej konfuzno do konca.

A ja, ?e je za Xsaro/C4 recimo, dober 1.4 bencinar s 75 konji, kaj kur** ne dajo not vsej 90 konjskega 1.4 HDIja, ?e ne ?e unga z 72timi?
Bi pa ?e raj?i mel 90ks HDI in njegov navor, kot pa 1.4 bencinsko anemijo.

Iz tega je razvidno, da bodo bencinski nov - 1.4 16v (90KM), 1,6 16v (110KM), 2.0 16v (lahko 136 ali 167KM) - ni popolnoma jasno.

Za dizle pa: nov HDI 1.6 16v (110KM) in le nov HDI 2.0 16v (136KM)

BVM najbr? pomeni ro?ni menjalnik (manual), BMA pa avtomatski.


Lp ?ojko

ja, bo najbr? res... BVM je verjetno nekaj kot "boite vitese mauale" in BVA takisto "automatique". kar bi blo menjalnik. ampak kak si iz teh ?ifer zgruntal mo? motorja mi pa ni glih jasno.

:D:D:D:DP;)

?e malo pozna? PSA-jeve motorje in spremlaj? kaj je novega na tr?i??u kaj hitro potegne? ?rto- vsi motorji so namre? 16v.

Lp ?ojko