Ista varianta kot ima VW Lupo 3L. Ne vem koliko se obnese. Tisti deci prihranka na sto kilometrov potem pomeni vi?je stro?ke vzdr?evanja in hitrej?o zamenjavo, zaganja?a, akumulatorja in ?e ?esa.

Mislim, da prihranek ni v pravo smer.

LP ?ojko

Stop&go

Hja, morda bi to pasalo v Citroen novosti, ampak bom kr sem dal. Auto Express pravi tole:

iCtroen will use September's Paris Motor Show to launch the C3 Stop & Start. It's equipped with a system that cuts the engine when the car is stopped and idling, such as at traffic lights. It restarts at the touch of the accelerator. Fuel consumption should drop by around 10 per cent.


Kaj pravite, bo to blo za kak?no resno rabo ali korist?

Druga?e:

http://www.citroenbilten.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=2794#pid35283


To copy paste je bolj tak... Prevedi v Sloven??ino pa bo bolje zgledalo. Pa bez zamere.

O tem smo nekje ?e pisali ne ravno dolgo nazaj. Princip VW Lupa 3L, ki se v realnem svetu ni ravno obnesel. Pri tisti minimalno zni?ani porabi veliko bolj trpijo ostale mahanske zadeve kot so: akumulator, zaganja?,....

Mislim, da je to bolj marketin?ka finta. Tudi Lupo 3L je bil. Pr WV so se enkrat v sedemdesetih ali osemdesetih zarekli, da bo konec tiso?letja tehnologija ?e tako napredovala, da bo WV avtomobil porabil le ?e 3 litre goriva na 100 km. In pri?el je Lupo 3L.

LP ?ojko

Mogo?e je to le zaradi ekologije. Glede var?evanja se mogo?e obnese, ?e avto dlje ?asa stoji, npr. pred ?elezni?kim prehodom, za kraj?i ?as pa ne bi trdil. Stari avtomobilski ma?ki so mi neko? zatrjevali, ?e le za kraj?i ?as ugasne? avto in ga nato spet v?ge?, ob v?igu motor potegne vase ve? goriva, kot pa bi ga avto porabil v tem ?asu, ?e bi motor deloval z minimalnimi vrtljaji v prostem teku.

[Edited on 16-7-2004 by Tito]

:cart:man je stop&go v Lupu prov en fuck, ker vsakic ko crkne ?e hocem havbo odpret pa pogledat katera ?ica se je snela, pri spacku, diani sem navadno najprej pogledal, ce so vse ?ice ?e na klucavnici, tole pa je cist mem, pa ?e dizl pa to, pa kva pa ve?, a bo v?gal al ja? Pa ne vem kako se bo to za drag-race obneslo? ?tart z ugasnjenimi motorji?:cwm1:

evo, kva se descu naredl! Stop&go! bemti stop-start...

evo tokrat v tapravo temo, pa ?e kdo govori francosko bi blo fajn v grobem kej prevest, da vidimo kako stvar funkcionira:

Mala pomoc:

S finto "Stop&Start" se ne rabite j**** v francoscini, ker obstaja tudi ENG varianta.

Pojdite na:

http://www.psa-peugeot-citroen.com/en/psa_espace/press_releases_details_d1.php?id=373

malo zaskrulaj ono novico z naslovom "Press release" in na koncu ti pise:

To download the Press kit including these documents (Press Release, Presentation and Infography), click here.

Kliknes na - jasno - click here, in pol se ti odpre ENG pdf fajl s tem hecom, po imenu "Stop&Start".

Pdf fajl ima malo manj kot 1,3 Mb, tota slika pa je na zadnji, 19 strani.

Mogoce se moras zato prej registrirat, se vec ne spomnim, jaz sem, pa mi se posiljajo novice, cca 1x mesecno
Francozi pac!

lahko noc!

[Edited on 9-9-2004 by vrba]

Vir CP

Lower fuel consumption and improved environmental performance: a practical and affordable solution with
C3 Stop and Start and SensoDrive


At the 2004 Paris Motor Show, Citro?n is unveiling the C3 Stop and Start: the first mass-market vehicle to feature the innovative Stop and Start technology. This C3 model combines two advanced technologies: the SensoDrive automated gearbox and an electronically controlled reversible alternator.
In this way, the C3 Stop & Start contributes to quality of life in the city by reducing fuel consumption and CO2 emissions by around 10% over an urban cycle. At the same time, it cuts noise emissions, since the engine cuts out whenever the vehicle stops.
With the C3 Stop and Start, the engine stops just before the vehicle comes to a standstill (traffic lights, traffic jams, etc.). It starts again automatically and instantaneously as soon as the driver takes his foot off the brake pedal to move forward again.

Available with the 90 bhp 1.4i 16V engine and the SensoDrive automated gearbox, the C3 Stop and Start contributes to the vitality of the C3 range. Working together, these two complementary technologies offer a perfect fit with the Marque's strategy in terms of innovation and environmental protection.

The development of the SensoDrive gearbox on the C2, C3 and C3 Pluriel is part of this strategy. Citro?n offers the widest range of vehicles with an automated manual gearbox currently on the market. With its electronic clutch and gearchange control, the SensoDrive consumes less fuel than a conventional manual or automatic gearbox. Fuel consumption and CO2 emissions are around 8% lower over an urban cycle and 4% lower over a combined cycle.
The SensoDrive also offers new driving sensations, with a choice of gearchange modes (steering-wheel paddles, sequential gearlever or fully automatic), and no clutch pedal.

The C3 Stop and Start marks a new step forward for Citro?n in acoustic comfort and vibration control, economy and environmental protection. With the Stop and Start system, fuel consumption and CO2 emissions are around 10% lower over an urban cycle and 6% lower over a combined cycle.

On the outside, the C3 Stop and Start features colour-keyed front/rear bumpers and side mouldings, aluminium-grey door handles and registration plate trim, and 15-inch wheels combined with a special wheel embellisher and a "Stop and Start" badge.

On the inside, the mixed fabric/velour, blue seats, front elbow rests, leather steering wheel and sill trim underline the modern and elegant design of the passenger compartment.

Based on the Pack Clim finish, the C3 Stop and Start offers extra features such as air conditioning with automatic temperature control, a refrigerated glovebox, an automatic front windscreen wiper, automatic headlamps and cruise control.


Real advantages with immediate benefits for passengers

A more relaxed and enjoyable drive

With its exceptional ? and immediately perceptible ? benefits, the C3 Stop and Start is a more relaxed and undemanding car to drive, particularly when the engine is in standby.

? hearing comfort for passengers, and respect for other people;

? hearing comfort also, with the instant engine start-up, which is silent and transparent to the occupants;

? physical comfort, owing to the absence of engine vibration.

This relaxed approach does not detract from driving pleasure. Quite the contrary. Stop and Start uses a discreet easy-to-learn technique that requires no change in driving style and that actually enhances driving pleasure.


Lower fuel consumption and CO2 emissions

Reflecting Citro?n's active environmental policy, the advantages of the C3 Stop and Start also include lower fuel consumption and reduced CO2 emissions.

Stopping and starting the engine repeatedly no longer causes excess fuel consumption. The reversible alternator and electronic fuel injection bring fuel savings of around 10%, or 18 g of CO2/km, in the city. Over a standard combined cycle, savings are close to 6%.

Using this technology, alongside the SensoDrive gearbox and the 1.4i 16V engine, the C3 Stop and Start offers consumption of 5.7l/100 km over a standard combined cycle.

When traffic is heavy, fuel savings can rise to 17%.


Affordable technology

Sold at an affordable price, the Stop and Start system reflects Citro?n's policy of making new technologies ? such as the SensoDrive gearbox ? widely available.


Simple and reliable technology managed electronically

Simple operation

When the driver applies the brakes to stop the car, the engine cuts out just before the car comes to a complete standstill (speed of less than 6 km/h). A green "eco" indicator lights up on the instrument cluster. The clutch is open.
The engine remains in standby for as long as the driver keeps a foot on the brake pedal, even if the pressure is slight.
When the driver releases the brake pedal, the engine starts up again automatically and instantaneously. The green "eco" indicator is switched off. When the driver presses the accelerator pedal down, the clutch gradually closes (SensoDrive gearbox).

The driver can deactivate the "Stop and Start" system at any time, using the "eco off" button on the central fascia. In this case, the car will function in the same way as a conventional SensoDrive vehicle. Pressing the button again will reactivate the function.

To activate or maintain engine stand-by, the system uses the electronic control unit to check a number of parameters.

The ?Stop & Start? system cannot function in the following cases:

? engine temperature too low;

? battery charge level too low;

? in extreme outside temperatures (below -10?C, above +30?C), when the air conditioning is on;

? when the difference between the requested temperature and the ambient temperature is too great;

? activation of windscreen demisting / defrosting;

? activation of reverse gear.

The ?Stop & Start? system is reactivated automatically whenever the car is started.


Reliable architecture

The system comprises two key components:

? a 2 kW reversible alternator performing the functions of both starter and alternator (supplying electricity to the onboard network), replacing the conventional alternator.

The main advantages of using an alternator for start-up are silence and speed (400 ms compared with 800 ms for a conventional starter) ;

? an electronic unit, which manages the alternator and provides a link with the engine control unit and built-in systems interface.

The system is completed by a battery, a special belt and a belt tensioner.


C3 1.4i 16V SensoDrive Stop and Start: associated benefits

Equipped with the 1.4i 16V engine launched in December 2003 and the SensoDrive automated gearbox, the C3 Stop and Start uses mechanical parts of advanced design in order to combine the gains offered by each component in terms of reduced fuel consumption and lower CO2 emissions.

The 1.4i 16V engine develops 65 kW EEC (90 bhp DIN) at 5,250 rpm and maximum torque of 133 Nm at 3,250 rpm.
To meet performance and consumption objectives, and to comply with the future Euro IV emission standard, the engine features continuously variable valve timing, a 16-valve cylinder head, and hydraulic roller cam followers for valve control.

The C3 reports buoyant performance

Launched in March 2002, the C3 continues to enjoy considerable commercial success on a market segment that accounts for almost 35% of sales in Europe.
With more than 600,000 vehicles sold since launch, of which 340,000 in 2003 and already 190,000 in first-half 2004, Citro?n has gradually increased its share of the European supermini segment from 9.2% in first-half 2004.
Continuous upgrading is the rule for the C3 range. Today, the C3 is innovating with ecological and economical technology that brings enhanced comfort and well-being for all passengers.


Key dates ? C3 range

C3 March 2002
C3 HDi 92 June 2002
C3 1.6i 16V SensoDrive July 2002
C3 Pluriel May 2003
C3 HDi 70 SensoDrive - 1.4i 16V SensoDrive December 2003
C3 X-TR March 2004
C3 Pluriel HDi 70 April 2004



Technical characteristics of the C3 Stop & Start


TECHNICAL CHARACTERISTICS AND PERFORMANCE

90 bhp 1.4i
ENGINE
Capacity
Max power
Max torque (at rpm)
1,360 cm3
65 kW (90 bhp) at 5,250 rpm
133 Nm at 3,250 rpm
TRANSMISSION SensoDrive
BRAKES
Tyres
Front brakes


185/60 R 15
vented disks 266 x 22

TOP SPEED 180 km/h
ACCELERATION (driver alone) (s)

0-100 km/h
400 m standing start
1,000 m standing start
30 -> 60 km/h in 3rd
60 -> 90 km/h in 4th
80 -> 120 km/h in 5th
13
18.5
34.4
4
4.5
9.9
FUEL CONSUMPTION
ECE (l/100 km)
EUDC (l/100 km)
Combined (l/100 km)
CO2 (g/km)
6.9
4.9
5.7
135

Stop & Start avtomatiko je ?e v cenikih v Nem?iji. Dobava: januar 2006. Ena od prednosti sistema - odsotnost klasi?nega zaganja?a, je ?e odpadla. Ker sistem pri nizkih temperaturah deluje nezanesljivo, bodo avti za severnej?e geografske ?irine opremljeni tudi z zaganja?em.